A sad for Demicratic regions everywhere

[Neo Nibu]

Info listed in this order for each account. Sorry it's hard to display things in a chart on the forum.

Account Email computer ips # of post Date Registered: Last Login Date:

godthesonni [e-mail] 208.107.27.184 0 Today at 5:44pm Today at 5:52pm

ilmt [e-mail] 208.107.27.184 6 Today at 6:46pm Feb 28, 2007, 6:29pm

uwfrat [e-mail] 208.107.27.184 0 Today at 5:48pm Today at 5:50pm

logical reason.... power, he would worry about the ips being spoted in post, but he failed to released "I can see the last known ip" for accounts... I had to take a looky cause he gained so many votes in a short time and so many new accounts. For anyone who doesn't know, ips are like computer ids, or a phone number of sorts of that computer's enternet. (Thus all computers in a household or a librarys offen hav the same ips.) And on top of that you'll see that a nation's nation is the same email of another nation's account.

Now, the only arguement even possible is that I can see is that he had two buddys or sibblings that decided to sign up and go on for a few mineuts to vote for ilmt and used tthe same email bacause one of them didn't hav one. Odd that someone that spend enough time on the computer for NS and doesn't hav an email. And one guy named his nation after ILMT's email.

What I think we should do is, remove him from the region and give him a trail after a High Judge is chosen. This in my opinion the founder has the right to chose weither to eject them from the region, as he logically acts as all non-elected post and the region was created thanxs to him. Clearly we will hav to do a revote on all the current elections because who ever he wanted to win most likely will win. Once he reads this I sugest he boot those three nations at once, if he agrees with me anywayz... It's overpowering clear to anyone of his guilt. I will come forward w/ more data as I find it.

-Nibu

[Neo Nibu]

Ok, now those nations hav been kicked out of the UN.

"2 hours ago: The People's Republic of UWfrat was ejected from the UN for rule violations.
2 hours ago: The Armed Republic of ILMT was ejected from the UN for rule violations.
2 hours ago: The People's Republic of Godthesonni was ejected from the UN for rule violations"

It is clear he is guilty.

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

I've received this TG 5 days ago

The Armed Republic of ILMT
Received: 5 days ago
yeah dude put me down for that party, i talk to goddthesonni too c if hell join, hes my buddy. Yeah im down for somethin like that

It is not wise to "remove him" without givin a chance to defend himself(since i think this is a democratic region)...I think we should wait for explanation.

Anyway, we must restart the polls...

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

Also, keep in mind that this is mainly a community. I think ILMT is a good guy; If he has double account,it's a very big mistake,but he's quite new here...

We've got only two positions with real power: Founder&UN Delegate...use it wisely.

[Neo Nibu]

I'm not gonna do nothing but I find it hard to believe that Ilmt uses an email "[e-mail]" and they all hav the same ip. He has been kicked out of the UN for multi accounts. Of course he says it's his buddy, he isnt going to come out and say he cheating. I really don't think two people would sign up on the forum using the same email and go vote then do nothing else. I'm just saying remove him until we hav a high judge and not so sure to restart the polls yet because he is still here. Perhapse we could hav the founder act as High Judge and settle this now. It be alot easyer to simply ban his ip before we restart the election as to make sure we don't hav to redo it again after.

I hav a hard time believing even you would stand up for someone so clearly guilty. I mean the NS mods say he's guilty. And all this info, I mean c'mon.

-Nibu

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

The nation 'UWfrat' is another thing... looks like he's got two accounts,indeed. I'm saying just to wait for his explanation. Maybe he haven't read our constitution.. and the meaning of the 'remove him' is not clear to me....ban from the forum, or from the region..

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

About the godthesonni: I received the TG 5 days ago; He didn't know anything about the election, so i lean to belive he's got a buddy...The IP belongs to a computer, so they can own 1 pc, and the IP will be the same...the godthesonni can be anything, even a family name, i don't know.

[Neo Nibu]

Are you blind??

I've been on NS long enough to be right were Ilmt is now. When I first started at 14, I was kicked out of my first region b/c I got fed up w/ the way things were being done and created a 2nd account to give myself the edge. I've played that game. You act as two different people, it's easy. Sadly for me that action in that region carried over to the new region I founded and soon lead to it's destruction. I know what i'm talking about. I'll bet my life on the fact he's guilty.

How can you believe that Ilmt is not guilty and UWfrat + godthesonni are. It's so clear that he is all 3. I mean they all use the same computer! And they hav over lapping nation names / emails.

[Neo Nibu]

ok, so I guess "Alida and Syren" will be acting as High Judge b/c when I asked the founder to help sort this out he replyed

"Well you and Alida&Syren because she is co-founder so she sort of fills in for me when im away or something."

So, now we wait for her opinion on the matter. Perhapse we can hav this trail before the elections, it make things alot simpler. For a Quick reverence, here is the section of the constitution on the High Judge and his/hers powers.

“VIII. High Judge
A. Is to hear out and pass judgment on all trails
B. Can deal punishment, founder can reduce or pardon any sentence
C. Is to be elected by Senate and serve until
inactiveness, Impeachment, retirement, or leaving International Nations
D. Founder is to act as High Judge in absence of an elected High Judge”

And here is a look at the crime section;

“VII. Crimes
A. Spying on International Nations for a foreign region
B. Multiple accounts on the forum
C. punishment is to be given by High Judge, founder can reduce or pardon any sentence”

So we await Alida&Syren for the judgment, of course to be given after hearing Ilmt’s side, if he even chooses to stay in the region. Personally I don’t think he will. He knows he is guilty and will mostly likely flee knowing he will never gain the power he was trying to cheat his way into.

-Nibu

[suctioncups]

Can we just delete his multiple accounts, but let him stay on? THen we'll monitor it for a bit to see if it hapens again. WHatever happened to second chances.

Nevertheless, your right. NS Mods use the same technique when trying to find multiple NS Nations. With log-ons that closelyt together (within hours), the IP's being the same, and the nations only being used to vote, theres no other logical explanation.

I emplore the co-founder to give him a second chance.

[Neo Nibu]

I think at the very least he should be disqualified from current elections.

I hav currently disabled this multi accounts (not Ilmt). I will delete them once I hav word from the co-founder.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure he will leav, cause he wants to be elected for something, and he knows or should know that he will most likely never get elected for anything b/c of this cheating past.

-Nibu

[deutschgarten]

I say we should just ban him. I mean from the evidence I'm almost completely convinced he's guilty, he'd better have a really good defence set up for himself.

[Neo Nibu]

Yea that's what i'd like to see happen.

Still waiting to hear Ilmt's story...

[Alida & Syren]

Hello everyone! i hear you have been waiting for my opinion?

now this matter is rather confusing for me- as a lot has happened in a few days, and i have not been here. I shall try and mae some kind of judgement on what evidence there is here and what i currently know.

from the evidence here, i can see 2 possibilities. either Ilmt is one person with multiple accounts, or is 2 or three seperate people who are working together. However in my opinion the latter is slightly farfetched, because if it were a group of friends why would they all have similar e-mail and furthermore, why would they have done nothing but vote for Ilmt. I know it is very possible but to be honest- why would they bother!

What im trying to say is it seems like a lot of effort to create an e-mail address and sign up to NS and the forum, just to give your friends a few more votes. And besides each nation can only vote once so their voting would not have had a particularly great impact. Also- these "friends" must be very good friends to be willing to do all that just for a couple of extra votes. My friends wouldn't do that for me, not even my best friend!

My conclusion from what i know at the moment is that Ilmt is simply just one person with multiple accounts-( which is a crime in itself) and also they used this as a way for voting for another of their own nations in an election. whatever te case i think that they must be punished in someway- which i think will should be gievn once i know exactly what has gone on and once i have spoken to the founder.

However it would be good to hear the suspect's side of the story!

[Alida & Syren]

P.S sorry for any spelling or grammer mistakes in that! :s

[Neo Nibu]

Well he has been on, made one post in the region and hasn't bothered w/ the forum...

And the founder wanted you to take care of it, or atleast that's what I understand. You havn't been elected as High Judge yet, because we hav to redo all the polls. But the founder is High Judge in case of their isn't an elected one. Since your the co-founder and the founder doesn't want to deal w/ it, it falls on you. I say we put some sort of date, that if Ilmt doesn't reply by then you cast your judgement. I don't think is gonna post on the forum if he hasn't already, and elections hav been put off for long enough as it is.

[Alida & Syren]

ok allright then- the decision is up to me- thats fine. So what options do i have with dealing with him? of course after he has given a statement, if he actually give one at all. Of course we could allways telegram him, and summon him to give a statement?

Ok well i think i will give him until 17:00pm GMT on saturday the 17th of march to give a statement then i will make my decision.

[Neo Nibu]

Well you can do anything from banning him, to not allowing him to run for any government job, not allow him to run this time, or simply nothing. Once you make your decision, I will deleted the multi accounts(their disabled right now), and if he is banned, i'll ban his ip and eject him.

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

If he does not bother to reply before that time (17th March 17:00) Then he probly should be banned from the forum and ejected from the region but im leaving the decision to alidia and syren, but make sure he knows about this or else it wouldn't be fair.

[Alida & Syren]

I have just sent a telegram to Ilmt informing him of his situation.