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Post by Kardas on Sept 14, 2007 10:14:48 GMT -5
Okay, this may be better to go in the political debate chamber, but 1- there's no real cause for debate and 2- there's no poll. Anyway... As most of you can see, I currently live in Indonesia. One day I was in a mall with my family, and I then see this guy, as plain as others, walk past me with the NAZI GERMANY FLAG on his shirt. It wasn't that big, but still. This isn't all though, as my history teacher went to a presentation on Sukarno's life and one of the sponsors was SELLING MEIN KAMPF AT A DISCOUNT. a friend of mine also went to a DVD shop (mind you, most of the DVDs you can buy here are illegal and cheap) and sees A POSTER OF HITLER AND MUSSOLINI on the wall there. And to top it all of, my history teacher was one of the many people while doing fitness somewhere looking at a person's shirt, which says: Great People of the 20th Century. And Adolf Hitler is on there. And he was just wearing it a plain as anything. It turns out we found in a discussion that this is a flaw in the country's educational system. Most people here do not learn about Nazi Germany, Hitler, fascism and dictators, Nazism and the Holocaust. Thus, they have no idea how insulting it is to foreigners like us to see them with these Nazi symbols. I'm not giving a conclusive opinion here. Just something to (insert some verb here) to think about And feel free to move this thread. i understand   |
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Post by Archaix on Sept 14, 2007 13:57:49 GMT -5
I'm not surprised about Mein Kampf, really -I've got a copy of the original serialized version, although I've never read it. It was a best-seller at the time and it's not just Nazis that read it (George Orwell had a copy and it almost cost him his life in the Spanish Civil War).
But this does remind me of a conversation I was having with some friends in the pub earlier today. It started off with a guy talking about Kate Nash, and he said something along the lines of 'thousands of people can't be wrong'. I replied with, 'yeah, but 13 million people voted for Hitler'.
And then he said, 'Well, at the time, I would have voted for him,' This is a guy who studied Politics for two years, and history for seven! 'Nobody knew he was going to be as bad as he was.' It got me thinking: how would I have voted? Bearing in mind that he was offering to slash unemployment, right the obvious wrongs of the Versailles Treaty, bring the country out of depression...
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Sept 14, 2007 14:18:04 GMT -5
Hitler is like Bush except he is not a monkey and was worse.... In 2000, 2004 it was an "OBVIOUS" choice to some voters to vote for Bush. He said he would protect the nation, and that the terrorists under your bed would die!
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Post by kaleckton on Sept 14, 2007 17:52:31 GMT -5
If I had lived in Germany during World War two and was in the same situation as most of the average people, I myself would have voted for Hitler. He was a man giving hope, and honestly the average person who votes would usually vote for the candidate that promises the most and is the most convincing. Hitler in a time of world wide depression was promising hope, a better lifestyle, a stronger country. Heck if hitler was living in any other country like Britain or the USA and did the same thing he would have become the leader of the country. From what I figure out, his downfall was his greed, and his greed was his insane desire for power and wealth. Even if he took over the entire world he would have invaded and colonized Mars.
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Post by Kardas on Sept 14, 2007 19:18:09 GMT -5
Well, to put it lightly, Hitler was a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very controversial man
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Post by kaleckton on Sept 14, 2007 21:30:57 GMT -5
Well think, he said one thing and did lead to it but ended up doing something completely different. Thats what happened, and he was also crazy in the head I'm just thinking what i feel.
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Post by Archaix on Sept 15, 2007 4:35:27 GMT -5
The problem is: back then I would have probably voted socialist (so either SPD or Red Front) but: my ideology is partly influenced by my aversion to everything the Nazis did. Since that hadn't happen then, maybe I wouldn't be so harsh towards Social Darwinism or extreme nationalism.
I suppose all this goes to show that we need to be a lot more thoughtful about our feelings before we act on them.
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Sept 15, 2007 8:16:32 GMT -5
Wasn't a scandal in Indonesia around 2003-4? Somebody opened a pub called "The Third Reich", the waiters were in SS-uniforms, swastika on the walls, etc. Then the government banned it, and the investors said they didn't know that the SS was the crew of the death camps....they didn't know even that there were death camps. Very interesting point. In fact, Hitler offered a solution for the great depression. But keep in mind, that the intellectual population of Germany knew that Hitler's policy isn't the right answer. I believe that the NSDAP was the first true populist party...The first party which realized the power of the right communication. Well, during the WWII, the Gestapo would have visited you if you would have done anything else  No. In the UK or in the USA, the democratic parties had good answers for the Great Depression(New Deal,etc). The democracy in Germany was young, the government was inefficient, and the country itself was robbed by the victorious Entente powers. A whole generation grew up in hunger(WWI blockades). This generation was hit by the great depression, and they had seen the inefficient democratic government. They were sheeps. |
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Post by Archaix on Sept 15, 2007 8:29:04 GMT -5
Quick qestion: how come I'm being quoted in everybody's signatures? They're not even humourous sound-bites, either, they're just cruel to me!  I shall retaliate!  |
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Sept 15, 2007 8:31:11 GMT -5
inflatable  |
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Post by Archaix on Sept 15, 2007 9:07:23 GMT -5
That's no excuse, Alexander!
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Sept 15, 2007 9:19:17 GMT -5
It is enough for me, George W.
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Post by Archaix on Sept 15, 2007 10:45:24 GMT -5
Oh, you're for it now...
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Post by Kardas on Sept 15, 2007 23:48:31 GMT -5
lol. but Debro, I moved this year to Jakarta
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Post by deutschgarten on Sept 16, 2007 13:50:06 GMT -5
Hitler had good intentions but was corrupted by power, just like Napoleon.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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Post by Archaix on Sept 16, 2007 16:06:52 GMT -5
Hitler had good intentions for white, non-Jewish Germans. Everyone else, as far as he was concerned, could go hang.
He was freaking strange even before he got power.
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Sept 24, 2007 6:24:22 GMT -5
Let's observe these intentions on the eastern front. ;D
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Post by Archaix on Sept 24, 2007 6:38:21 GMT -5
Set and match.
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Post by Kardas on Sept 24, 2007 8:42:13 GMT -5
Before that comes about, my history teacher told us this
these are the people that were on Hitler's List of People He Would Kill If He Controlled the World-
Winston Churchill (actually had escape plans for that)
Charlie Chaplin (parodied him in 'the Great Dictator'. It's a great movie though, go watch it)
David Low (NZ political cartoonist, ridiculed Hitler so much that his publishers asked him to step it down a bit because "you're angering Mr. Hitler")
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Sept 24, 2007 10:04:37 GMT -5
and six millions jew.
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