Proposal- the history of IN

[Kardas]

I was browsing through the archives (ah, happy days ) and then i came across a joint project for our page on NS Wiki.
Well, last time I checked NS Wiki had something wrong and our page either doesn't exist or can't be accessed.
Anyway, I suggest we re-establish a joint project to write up a nice history of the International Nations.
You can find important stuff for this in the archives, Monthly Leftists and of course your memory.

for starters, I'll draw up a list of historically major members of IN:
Automaticz
Neo Nibu
Debro
Archaix
Deutschgarten
SuctionCups
FGPR
Silvado
Alida&Syren
Kardas
Primus Orios/Republicas Gloria
Kaleckton
Casinecro
Kazzerland
IronWolves
Teivostan
Aegypto/Northern Australis

any more?

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

I think that was it,
great idea btw

[Kardas]

Our history- note form
Incomplete, facts may not be in order. please help
Founding
I wasn't here. Auto, Nibu, Debro? could you fill in?
March 2007
Arrival of Independant Warlords, main nation of Kardas.
Population: about 50 nations.
Summer 2007
Massive spike in RPG activity. Arrival of Primus Orios. First fiction- penguin ninjas- posted. Golden Age of International Nations
Fall 2007
Arrival of Kaleckton, Teivostan, Casinecro, IronWolves, Kazzerland. RPG most expansive and active. Creation of the NCA. Founder Automaticz becomes inactive. Military operations in Green Anarchy and the Anarcho-Communist Federation.
Treason of Teivostan?
Winter 2007
Signs of inactivity. Several military actions conducted against Aero City. Founder Automaticz dies of inactivity and the region moves from 'International Nations' to 'The International Nations.'
Spring 2008
Return of Teivostan, Automaticz, Prims Orios as Republicas Gloria and briefly Kazzerland. IN suffers from inactivty as NS declines.
Summer 2008
In inactive. Attempted Coup by Neo Nibu.
Fall 2008
Nibu made King of IN in order to combat inactivity. Nibu founds NINE, replacing the NCA

[Neo Nibu]

Well for founding I wasn't around when it happened...

I kinda just showed up with a forum and written constitution.

Oh and I don't think Nine is really a replacement for the NCA the organizations have nothing in common other than that I founded them... plus the NCA was lame and along time ago.

At any rate, if we can remember we should include those who had held various government offices. Like a list of delegates, Head of Senate, High Judge, etc. Although I think it might be impossible to remember all of them... I can other remember all the High Judges cause we've only had two.

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

Sept 26, 2008 0:43:47 GMT -5 Kardas said:

Our history- note form
Incomplete, facts may not be in order. please help

Founding
I wasn't here. Auto, Nibu, Debro? could you fill in?
Automaticz was the founder, while Alida&siren was the co-founder - she was the first immigrant to IN.As far as is remember when i arrived, there were only 6-7 people.
First cabinet:
Automaticz-Founder
Alida&Siren-Co-founder
Deutschgarten- Head of international affairs
SuctionCups-head of recruitment
I don't remember the rest.

March 2007
Arrival of Independant Warlords, main nation of Kardas.
Population: about 50 nations.
The COIN was founded around february-march. Arrival of Archaix.
Summer 2007
Massive spike in RPG activity. Arrival of Primus Orios. First fiction- penguin ninjas- posted. Golden Age of International Nations
Reforms of the forum with a focus on the off-topic talk and "culture". Monthly leftist.Population almost 90?
Fall 2007
Arrival of Kaleckton(earlier?), Teivostan, Casinecro, IronWolves, Kazzerland. RPG most expansive and active. Creation of the NCA. Founder Automaticz becomes inactive. Military operations in Green Anarchy and the Anarcho-Communist Federation.
Treason of Teivostan?
Winter 2007
Signs of inactivity. Several military actions conducted against Aero City. Founder Automaticz dies of inactivity and the region moves from 'International Nations' to 'The International Nations.'
Spring 2008
Return of Teivostan, Automaticz, Prims Orios as Republicas Gloria and briefly Kazzerland. IN suffers from inactivty as NS declines.
Summer 2008
In inactive. Attempted Coup by Neo Nibu.
Fall 2008
Nibu made King of IN in order to combat inactivity. Nibu founds NINE, replacing the NCA

Hi

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

Um with founding it was a while ago but alidia&siren created a region right after i did so i think thats how i found her.
I sent her a tg saying hi ect and she said she would move over to IN because she wanted a region with at least someone in it, i made her co founder for being the first person there basically
I then attempted to make a forum but it was pretty bad, so i posted asking people to make a forum, nibu you came and made a forum which we all joined then the population grew and we got a consitution.
And Then was Nibu's first attempted coup He basically wanted to be founder and said he was more fit for the job. But he stopped eventually.
So thats basically you filled with most of the founding period.

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

wow i used basically alot in that.

[Neo Nibu]

Me merely suggesting that i'd make a better founder doesn't count as a coup, there only been one coup so stop saying there was several.

Of course it matters not, as i'm King now legally. >_<

[Kardas]

IN History-first draft[/u]
Notes: I think we should divide the history up into the IN cabinets. Would be less cluttered, and would make much more sense.
I know we were Featured Region twice: once early on, and the other time on October 31 2007 (dead on the Exodus date).
@ Debro: I think Wilkia, Dianawi and Ashlandis could have been government officials

Founding

IN's foundations were made when the region's original Founder, Automaticz sent a TG to the nation of Alida&Siren, who had then also just Founded a region, asking her to join IN and become co-Founder, which she agreed to. Automaticz became the Founder, while Alida&Siren was the co-Founder and she was the first immigrant to IN. The nation of Debro arrived when there were only 6-7 people.
Automaticz then tried to make a forum, but failed. Nibu arrived and created the IN forum. Nibu then wished for more power other than Admin, citing that he believed he would be a better founder. The proposal was turned down.


Spring 2007
During the first election of IN, the region suffered from a multi-account scandal of the nations ILMT, godthesonni and uwfrat. These nations were later linked to the nation of Satanic Warfare, and all nations were banned from the region. Due to misuse of voting by the multi-account, voting had to be redone.

IN's First cabinet:
Automaticz-Founder
Alida&Siren-Co-founder
Deutschgarten- Head of international affairs
SuctionCups-head of recruitment

The nation of Independant Warlords, later the main nation of Kardas, was recruited to a region of about about 50 nations.
The COIN was founded in April. Archaix, a member of IN's longtime leftist ally, the Communist Socialist Alliance, the CSA, arrived in this period as well.

Summer 2007
The summer was the Golden Age of International Nations- there was a massive spike in RPG activity, caused in part by the arrival of fanatic RPGer Primus Orios. At this time, the first and legendary work of fiction of IN was posted: Penguin Ninjas- a joint work of several members.
Forum reforms took place with a focus on the off-topic talk and "culture". IN's first and only newspaper, the COIN-owned Monthly Leftist Newspaper, was also created by Debro. The population of IN was nearly in the 100s in that time.

Fall 2007
September was marked by the arrival of a lot of members who have made important contributions to the region: Kaleckton, Teivostan, Casinecro, IronWolves and Kazzerland. Led Zeppelin, Founder of the CSA also regularly visited the forums. With RPG chief Silvado inactive, Kaleckton made expansive reforms to the RPG section including updated rules, RP shops (defunct), OOC RPG, a Treaty/Alliance board, National Stats board and a Regional Map board. The New World idea was also started by Kaleckton (unsure). At this time Nibu also created a conservative political party- the Neo-Conservative Association, a less acitve rival of COIN. Members were Nibu and Kaleckton.
The Military of IN was also extremely active during this period: starting with operations in Green Anarchy, liberating the region from the Alliance of Dictators, the failed liberation of the Anarcho-Communist Federation from Aero City and a poorly organized attack on the Aero City puppet region Corrigador. Negotiations were done with Aero City in the aftermath of the attack. Spying has also been conducted in Corporate Conservative and Aero City.
The region did suffer from major multi-account problems: it was believed that: 1- Archaix and Led-Zeppelin; 2- Kardas and Spartan117; 3- Kazzerland, Krayfish, Casinecro and IronWolves and 4- Teivostan and Fascist Leaders (and puppets) were the same. All except for the last one were proven false.
Fascist Leaders had been, for a while, a minor threat to the region, bringing it in contact with notorious raider regions. When it was discovered in october that respected member Teivostan and Fascist Leaders were the same, it caused a major upheaval in the region. Teivostan was banned from the region and left for Aero City, but tried to spy on IN some more using other multi-accounts. Teivostan was on the side of Aero City during the ACF conflict to the Corrigador attack. He also infuriated the region with the creation of the upstart region New International Nations.
Teivostan remained with Aero City to the end of 2007 (possibly inaccurate). Teivostan later said he joined Aero City because he was bored of IN.
Kaleckton left the region after Nibu and Primus Orios disagreed on whether the regional forums had been hacked and Kaleckton had saved them. Several CSA members also regulary visited the forums for reasons including the popular game Wolfhunt.
There were also worries in the region about the inactivity of the Founder, Automaticz becomes inactive. When it became clear Automaticz was truly inactive, a massive exodus was organized to the new region The International Nations, which was to be joint-founded by Nibu, Debro, Deutschgarten and later Kardas. Moving was speeded up when the region became the Featured Region on October 31, which worried some that raiders would attack at that time. Luckily the moving went smoothly, and Debro later securely refounded International Nations with a puppet.

Winter 2007
A period of relative inactivity. Teivostan at this time turned against Aero City and leaked important info to IN. Teivostan was banned from the region and asked for amnesty. This was turned down. Teivostan briefly went to several leftist regions and New Sorvun before asking for amnesty once more and being accpeted back in february. Archaix also posted the popular story SPACE MICE before the year's end.anyone remember what else went on then?

Spring 2008
Spring saw the return of, Automaticz, Prims Orios (who had made another nation, Republicas Gloria, and joined Equilism) and briefly Kazzerland. Other than this, IN was relatively quiet at that time. IN suffers from inactivity as NS declines.

Summer 2008
since i was on holiday during the coup could someone fill in the details?
IN was relatively inactive over the summer other than an attempted coup d'etat by Neo Nibu. Nibu wished to be made King to gain more power and to combat the region's problems. After lengthy resistance, In returned to a democracy and banned members were allowed back.

Fall 2008
With continuing inactivity, people warm up the idea of Nibu becoming King. After lengthy discussions, IN temporarily becomes a constitutional monarchy under Nibu. Nibu disbands the NCA and founds the Neo International Nations Evolutionary party, of the Number Nine Movement, a progressive (check proper use of term) monarchist party.

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

@ Debro: I think Wilkia, Dianawi and Ashlandis could have been government officials

Touché,Aslandis was the first Head of Senate.(completely inactive, however.)
Wilkia was the first Head of Defense?

Excellent work, for the rest.

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

Oct 5, 2008 12:23:57 GMT -5 Neo Nibu said:

Me merely suggesting that i'd make a better founder doesn't count as a coup, there only been one coup so stop saying there was several.

Of course it matters not, as i'm King now legally. >_<

No you were power hungry so made a thread saying you should be founder hoping for support, it was more than a suggestion which escelated as you didn't back down, you had power and wanted more, a smaller scale version of what happened recently. I always knew it would happen again but no one would pay me any attention :l And surprise, surpirse you did the same thing again except with extra evil.
All i can say is people really should pay more attention to me as i basically predicted the future.
Aaand the only reason you are king "legally" is because teivo and debro lost all will power.

[Neo Nibu]

Well, I grow tired of arguing with you.

All I gotta say is look at where we are since I took office. Basically doubled in size and new people on the forum. And I haven't done any 'evil' you so fear. So quit your bitchin'

[Teivostan]

with extra evil.

I hate the word "evil", always seems like such a fanatic word.

Aaand the only reason you are king "legally" is because teivo and debro lost all will power.

Well thanks for the insult..
I didn't lose will power, I just thought that seeing as IN was rapidly declining (practicaly dead) it would be interesting to see if it prospered more under a different form of government. A change of opinion doesn't mean a loss of will power. The government must change with the problems the region faces, the democratic order IN had was largely in-effective as there was absolutely no interest in running for government positions or even voting. There is no point in a democratic order where there are no voters or government officials.
After we gained control of the founder I didn't see you stepping up to run for any government positions or offer to help mass recruitment. It's all very well and good to state your opinion and take back the region in a time of excitement but there's no point to it if you don't do anything to help the region when the exciting part is over, otherwise it's all for nothing and the region dies.

I realise that RL issues do have an impact on NS but you can't just come on here to shout and insult people who are working on the region when the only time your active is when you want to shout at Nibu.

Your radical democratic views will not work in IN at the state it's in now, perhaps when it's more active, but not now.

These are only my opinions, I don't want to insult anyone

[His Holiness King Of Penguins]

Oct 7, 2008 16:49:41 GMT -5 Teivostan said:

with extra evil.

I hate the word "evil", always seems like such a fanatic word.

Aaand the only reason you are king "legally" is because teivo and debro lost all will power.

Well thanks for the insult..
I didn't lose will power, I just thought that seeing as IN was rapidly declining (practicaly dead) it would be interesting to see if it prospered more under a different form of government. A change of opinion doesn't mean a loss of will power. The government must change with the problems the region faces, the democratic order IN had was largely in-effective as there was absolutely no interest in running for government positions or even voting. There is no point in a democratic order where there are no voters or government officials.
After we gained control of the founder I didn't see you stepping up to run for any government positions or offer to help mass recruitment. It's all very well and good to state your opinion and take back the region in a time of excitement but there's no point to it if you don't do anything to help the region when the exciting part is over, otherwise it's all for nothing and the region dies.

I realise that RL issues do have an impact on NS but you can't just come on here to shout and insult people who are working on the region when the only time your active is when you want to shout at Nibu.

Your radical democratic views will not work in IN at the state it's in now, perhaps when it's more active, but not now.

These are only my opinions, I don't want to insult anyone

Okay yes real life issues have a massive effect, the summer holidays are over restricting my time here, i also do other things on the internet not just NS so my time on the internet is split up.
I spent alot of time planning to save IN from this monarchist thing and you two were in full favour of it. Then when all the work is done, alot of effort by everyone, you deside to scrap the plan...
I really can't be bothered putting alot of work into something that wont even be put into action, that really really annoyed me.
Plus now Nibu has ultimate power so government positions are just about pawns of Nibu.
If the plan was a sucsess and IN was restored to democracy then i would of put myself forward for a government position but i don't like this system one bit so would rarther help when nessecary rarther than have a government position, and ethnics minister is only to make sure Nibu dosen't reapeat himself, the reason for me taking it.

[Teivostan]

If the plan was a sucsess and IN was restored to democracy then i would of put myself forward for a government position

I meant during the period right after regaing the founder which was before we even considered a constitutional monarchy.

[Neo Nibu]

Like I said, look at where we are since I took office. Basically doubled in size and new people on the forum. And I haven't done any 'evil' you so fear. It is clear that what we're doing works, and "ultimate power" seems like an over statement since you can over turn anything I do with a vote.

If there is something i've done you don't like thus far, what is it?

You might consider helping out instead of just bad mouthing me.

[Kardas]

please don't ruin our lovely history thread guys

[Neo Nibu]

Well he started it >_<

[Kardas]

Founder: Automaticz
Co-Founder: Alida & Syren
1st High Judge: Alida & Syren (march 2007)
1st Head of Recruitment: SuctionCups
March 2007 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: ??Nibu??
Head Senator: Ashlandis
Head of International Relations: Deutschgarten
Head of Defense: Wilkia

May 2007 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: ??Alida & Syren??
Head Senator: Deutschgarten
Head of International Relations: Debro
Head of Defense: Silvado

2nd high Judge: Deutschgarten (August 2007)
Automaticz elected Head of Defense in August

September 2007 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: Debro
Head Senator: Kaleckton
Head of International Relations: ??Primus Orios??
Head of Defense: Kardas

2nd Head of Recruitment: Kazzerland

November 2007 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: Neo Nibu
Head Senator: Plebian
Head of International Relations: Kardas
Head of Defense: Kazzerland

3rd High Judge: Neo Nibu (February 2008)

February 2008 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: Neo Nibu
Head Senator: Plebian
Head of International Relations: Debro
Head of Defense: Kardas

3rd Head of Recruitment: Teivostan (?? 2008)

May 2008 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: Kardas
Head Senator: Debro
Head of International Relations: Kazzerland
Head of Defense: Firedeb8ters

Neo Nibu Elected First King of The International Nations (September 2008)
1st Ethics Ministers: Teivostan and Automaticz (September 2008)
1st Regional Historian: Kardas (appointed September 2008)

September 2008 IN Cabinet
Head Delegate: Teivostan
Head Senator: Anarchyfreedom88
Head of International Relations: Kardas
Head of Defense: Fort Pontchartrain

4th Head of Recruitment: Neo Nibu

[Neo Nibu]

Yea, I can't really remember, but I know I was Head Delegate and Head Senator at some point.

Oh and I thought Deutschgarten was our first High Judge, but I can't really recall...

It's funny cause in my other region i've been recording the history of who was what position at what time, of course the jobs and titles vary.