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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Jun 8, 2007 10:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by Archaix on Jun 8, 2007 10:24:25 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea, except that I'm sure they're not Africans. I'm about as unsure on this subject than I am on best ice cream flavours. And man am I unsure about ice cream flavours.
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Post by His Holiness King Of Penguins on Jun 8, 2007 10:26:38 GMT -5
They all killed people so none of them  |
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Post by Archaix on Jun 8, 2007 10:34:09 GMT -5
ICE CREAM FLAVOURS DID THAT?
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Jun 8, 2007 10:46:25 GMT -5
Damn, we should execute all ice creams! @auto: terrorists and freedom fighters usually kill ppl... Archaix:almost the same as the israel-palestine conflict. Well, almost. |
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Post by Archaix on Jun 8, 2007 10:58:31 GMT -5
I thought as much.
In any case, isn't one man's freedom fighter another man's terrorist?
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Post by deutschgarten on Jun 8, 2007 12:24:24 GMT -5
Yes, but it looks to me that Russia's view on Chechnya hasn't changed since the days of Stalin. It's sick to think that Putin can just go in and kill millions of people on the biased and misslead opion that they're all criminals and the entire world just stands by and watches.
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Post by Neo Nibu on Jun 8, 2007 13:04:42 GMT -5
Bahahahhahhahahahahahaaa
It's times like these I can't help but laugh... I'm 18, and I have parental controls on my computer... I can't veiw those cites as their filed as 'Hate/Discrimination'
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Jun 8, 2007 16:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by Kardas on Jun 9, 2007 1:58:36 GMT -5
Where's the 'I don't know button'? For once I don't have an opinion on something here. Is it 'Africans!'?
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Jun 9, 2007 2:00:35 GMT -5
yes. |
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Post by Kardas on Jun 9, 2007 7:09:39 GMT -5
Ah thank you |
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Post by -Led Zeppelin- on Jul 9, 2007 10:13:18 GMT -5
I wrote a lengthy report on Human Rights Violations in Chechnya last year.
Basically, Chechnya, a predominantly Muslim nation has been abused by Russia throughout history. There have been numerous wars in Chechnya, which are still going on today.
During WWII, Stalin forcefully made Chechnya a province and deported millions to suppress them. He called them Nazi sympathizers to justify his actions. Since that then, two wars have been fough in the 1990s, resulting in countless deaths and human rights violations on both sides. The international community does not step in to resolve the matter. Every Chechen revolutionary that steps up to leadership is assassinated.
Who has rights to this land? Chechens are natives, Russians are not. It's like an aparthied created by Russia, and to this day, they are reluctant to give Chechnya away. Why is Chechnya so valuable? Oil of course! Why else? Much of the oil from the Middle East is transported through Chechya to Russia and possibly the rest of Europe. If Chechnya wins independence, this transportation is stopped. I assume Chechnya itself has natural resources.
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Post by Archaix on Jul 9, 2007 15:29:42 GMT -5
Oh, I see. Yet another case of Russia being a bastard.
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Post by deutschgarten on Jul 9, 2007 23:56:36 GMT -5
Yes, oil once again rules the world.
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Jul 10, 2007 8:55:00 GMT -5
Hey, welcome here,LZ!
All good points there. The "international community" just sat patiently. Why? Cuz chechens were threated as "terrorists". And they did a lot to "earn" this title. Dudajev(the leader of the first uprise) was(or is...?) a selfish military leader, he had nothing to do with such valuable things as independence or justice. After the clear military defeat in Chechnya, his men started to take hostages, shoot at civilians,etc. Russian soldiers were tortured, and was put on the tanks as "additional armour".
And - thanks to the minority policies of the "Great Generalissimo" - in the times of the Chechen wars, a significant minority of russians were presented mostly in Grozny. And it was hard times for a russian...
Also, Chechnya has a unique, ancient society, in villages(and Chechnya is the land of the villages) the genus-system is still important. That means, the villages is led by the elders. So, most of these elders wanted to stay out from the glorious freedom fight, but they quickly realised that this is impossible - the peasants were drafted into Dudajev's army, and the elders were executed....
True. Of course, what i wrote above is only part of the story. The russian method is....eh, "questionable". When the chechens want an independent state, they must have one. Anything else would be oppression.
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Post by -Led Zeppelin- on Jul 10, 2007 11:25:38 GMT -5
It's really no different than imperialism. As a pacifist, I don't encourage Chechens to use violence against their oppressor, but since they are actually discriminated against and have no representation, they as a nation, need to have defense. This is of course without UN intervention. The number one thing needed right now is UN intervention. The downside is if the UN intervenes and rebuilds Chechnya as an independent nation, Russia may look to the UN and the US as enemies.
As for all the human rights violations present in the land, there are countless on each side. I've learned of mass killings, mass roadside graves, towns leveled, mid-night kidnappings, torture techniques, suicide bombings, and many ugly pictures
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" -Archaix
