Socialism vs. Capitalism

[Kazzerland]

Well what do you think? I'll give my argument once people begin to vote and give their own opinions.

[Teivostan]

My beliefs are somewhere between Democratic Socialism and a Regulated Economy.

[Republicas Gloria]

I regret to inform you Kazzer, that true Communism is Anarchist. Communism is meant to be a community of people banding together with others. Dictatorships... a no no, then its called State Capitalism.

Also

In Socialism there is currency, regulated economy, some land ownership, but everyone is payed the same.

In Communism there is no currency, you work your hardest and you get rewarded with that work.

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

primus is right, "Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production."

and you're generally mixing up the definitions. Economicaly, you can choose between to orientation, the neo-liberal approach(free market, "small" government, minimal redistribution and minimal taxes) or the socdem approach(regulated market, "provider" government, significant redistribution and significant taxes)

Actually, "communist" states like China are on the neo-liberal side. You won't find any true communist state, nor a pure capitalist one.

[Kazzerland]

Well I am not going by the definition, I am going by the ways that these systems of government have been displayed. Think about the USSR, they were certainly a dictatorship. They simply lied to their people and told them that the Government was equal to them.

[Archaix]

I would have gone with:

Communism
Partial Nationalization
Regulated Capitalistic
Unregulated Capitalistic

Economics is separate from social, in that a country could hypothetically be an unregulated capitalist machine and not turn into a police-state, in the same way a communist state might (we hope) be noninvasive and democratic.

'Dictatorship' is a technically correct term; in all the early writing you'll see 'dictatorship of the proletariat', but it doesn't mean the same as what you think it does. It comes straight from the Latin 'dictat', as in, 'the speaker'. The people speak for themselves. It has nothing to do with a single ruler in the slightest.

[Republicas Gloria]

The dictator of the proletariat (which btw would be everyone in a Communist state since all would be equal) would be an Athenian Democracy if it could be defined as a government.

[Kardas]

I'm mostly for democratic socialism. I'm one of the more centrist members of COIN

[Archaix]

May 18, 2008 11:49:04 GMT -5 Kardas said:

I'm mostly for democratic socialism. I'm one of the more centrist members of COIN

Except when he drinks too much.

@ Republicas: How so? I suppose there would be similarities, but the Athenians disenfranchised slaves, women, foreigners and so on. Also, the process of direct democracy worked because it was applicable to a single city; communism would be a national action. Unless you're talking about council communism/soviet system, which would create lots of local points of authority.

[Republicas Gloria]

Sorry forgot the term, direct democracy. To be honest I'm not certain yet how Communism will work, I can work out Socialism but not Communism

[silvado]

I like the idea of a middle ground between regulated economy and democratic socialism. I don't really know much in depth stuff about this topic compared to others but I know that the economy should definately have some forms of regulations on it.

[Archaix]

I believe that all the most important resources (coal, oil, gas, heavy industries) as well as big social aspects of the country (healthcare and education) should be under total governmental control, while business, while regulated, should be independently run, the way they work best. But that's economics.

Socially I believe in equality: equality in voting, equality in civil rights and as near to equality in pay as possible.

And brown fedoras for all.

[Republicas Gloria]

lol

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

And brown fedoras for all.

As you wish



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[Archaix]

It's on the wrong way.

[Kardas]

I'm impressed!

[Archaix]

Impressed at my hair-ridden photograph or Debro's unique photoshopping technique that he pioneered by smashing his head onto his keyboard until his computer produced an image?

[silvado]

I like your point Archaix, and nice job Debro. That is a sic photo

[Robespierre - P.R. of Debro]

May 29, 2008 11:57:30 GMT -5 Archaix said:

Impressed at my hair-ridden photograph or Debro's unique photoshopping technique that he pioneered by smashing his head onto his keyboard until his computer produced an image?

you're so hostile but touché, the procedure was something similar, with the exception of the gimpshopping technique.

[Neo Nibu]

Socialism vs. Capitalism? Eh their both flawed...

The best would be for one nation of earth with no active authority or laws of any form. A brotherhood of man, living in balance with nature. A removal of material possessions and formal careers, live life as it was meant to be lived.