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Post by Kardas on Dec 3, 2007 8:06:58 GMT -5
I have to agree with Primus. Even moreso with Kazzerland.
Gays are homo sapiens sapiens (aka people) as well. I believe article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights can give more explanation.
I obviously disagree with Krayfish, and as for Owtopia's comment:
The 'just don't show it' part indicates society still ridicules gays.
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Dec 3, 2007 14:58:58 GMT -5
I think the maker of the skittle taste the rainbow commercial is gay... It says taste (as in... blowjob) the rainbow (rainbow is used for homosexual). So maybe skittles is the coming out of the closet of a guy...
*throws out the skittles he just got*
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Post by Casinecro on Dec 3, 2007 15:17:31 GMT -5
Hm... that would make another good debate (albiet a silly one), but that's beside the point. Uh, anywho, Owtopia and Krayfish seemed to kinda ignore my point. As I said(or tried to say), gays are peope, too. They're just like everybody else, they just happen to be somewhat different. Gays can be perverted, but then again, can't straights be perverted, too? And not everybody you meet is gay just because they seem it. There's also this magical elixir called alcholhol. It makes people act silly. So, next time you go into a bar, don't be so judgemental of the guy grabbing your bum.
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Post by Kazzerland on Dec 3, 2007 17:52:02 GMT -5
Casinecro you may want to examine the phrase that has been inserted below your "purple stars"....
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Post by deutschgarten on Dec 3, 2007 19:20:47 GMT -5
I agree, God loves all of his creations, but doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that being gay is a venial sin (a sin that's bad, but not to bad ex. stealing, watching porn, ect)? I mean, I think that gays can't help being... well, gay, so I don't know exactly how that fits into there. But maybe that's an entirely different disscussion.  too, gays. Yep being gay is just as much of a sin as being fat and eating pork. Go look it up, they're right next to each other. You don't see us going around giving fat people or pork eaters less rights, so why gays? |
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Dec 4, 2007 15:48:53 GMT -5
The sad part though is in Romans or something in the New Testement it is illegal to be gay or something... but America is not a Christian nation, rather a free nation, and unless it came from the Father's mouth in some form then I'll be all anti-gay but if some disciple said it, that could be his two cents.
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Post by Casinecro on Dec 7, 2007 15:12:19 GMT -5
alright, now that's not fair. I didn't want that to be there, I didn't know that would come with the whole "rape" package.....
But anywho, Primus is right, it's not one of the original ten commandments, but I coulda sworn that it was in the bible someplace... and I suppose that God wouldn't care if you just follow your heart and stuff. But maybe the subject of being gay isn't about religions. I think that the point would be if there was some wierd, voilent, anti-gay gang/occult/club/orginazation, than I would say that, for the sake of the gay's themselves, gay marrige shouldn't be allowed. But, as there's no wierd gang/occult/ecetra, I don't see anything wrong with gays.
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Dec 7, 2007 15:31:17 GMT -5
The Religions of the World has the right to marrying people, just give an alternative like a civil union.
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Post by Casinecro on Dec 7, 2007 22:04:51 GMT -5
And what about non-church related marriges. You can have a legal, hippie-related marrige, right? Maybe the whole thing could be settled if gays were all married like that. Then that would (I think) take away the part about churches all angry about that lil' tidbit of the discussion.
Or, perhaps if we look on the subject like we were gays; Do gay people really want all this crap about religion and whether it's legal and if we just treat it like a normal marrige between a guy and a girl, than what's the dillio? Or, here's a crazy idea; why not have a seprate branch of the church for gay couples? It wouldn't be a major branch or anything, just you would belong to it so "God (or Allah) will smile down upon those confused of love, so that they may follow their hearts and pursue love with the blessings of the Father (or Allah)" or some crap like that, just so that everybodies happy.
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Post by Kazzerland on Dec 8, 2007 12:17:19 GMT -5
A Civil Union is a non-religious marriage Cas....
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Post by Casinecro on Dec 8, 2007 15:05:43 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's still related to the government and stuff. A hippie-type marrige would basically be an non-official marrage where you can go around and say your married but not have government proof.
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Post by deutschgarten on Dec 8, 2007 17:11:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's still related to the government and stuff. A hippie-type marrige would basically be an non-official marrage where you can go around and say your married but not have government proof. That's stupid. Then how would they get all the tax breaks and perks that married couples get on their taxes? Plus to be married you have to apply for a marriage license. |
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Post by Casinecro on Dec 9, 2007 17:41:03 GMT -5
Well yeah, but they could live together and stuff like that, but if they're embarrased by it they cvan lie and say they're just roomates or something like that. Yeah, thinking back on it, it is kinda lame...
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Post by strashki on Dec 23, 2007 21:52:07 GMT -5
No government in the bedrooms! Love is Love! All gay marriages should be given the exact same rights and privileges as hetero ones!
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Post by spartacus on Dec 23, 2007 21:54:26 GMT -5
Here here Mr. Strashki. I wholeheartedly agree!
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Jan 2, 2008 20:14:32 GMT -5
Freedom to the people!
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Post by owtopia on Jan 11, 2008 15:56:02 GMT -5
PO, aren't you a Christian? I'm pretty sure most Christians are against homosexual marriage. I am.
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Post by spartacus on Jan 11, 2008 17:16:19 GMT -5
I respect your right to be a Christian and to believe what you wish, but as with abortion, religious arguments of any kind, whether they be Christian, Islamic, Buddhist or whatever, should not play any part in legislation in a country that follows the tenets of seperating church and state. You have a right to oppose gay marriage or anything else based on personal beliefs, but if you are arguing over whether gay marriage should be legal or not, religion is irrelevant.
The government does not and should not pass legislation based on what the Bible says or on anyone's interpretation of it, even though many people wish to and try to. How would you feel if Muslims were in the majority here and they passed a law which said men who don't grow beards aren't entitled to the same rights as men who do? It is perfectly fine to believe in the tenets of your religion as you see them, but it is not at all acceptable to impose them onto people who do not.
The Bible also says it's okay to stone to death a disobedient son, so I guess it should be okay for your dad to kill you if you sass him or don't do as he says. That is a lot more explicit in the scriptures than the vague references to homosexuality. I shudder to think what the world would be like if we followed everything the Bible says.
I am still waiting for the Christian right to provide definitive, irrefutable proof that gays are bad parents and that gay marriage is somehow detrimental to society. So far, I'll I've seen from anti-gay marriage people is rhetoric based on ignorance, discrimination, intolerance, and in many cases, hate.
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Post by strashki on Jan 11, 2008 18:53:40 GMT -5
You're saying it's okay to suppress the rights of a people because you think it's bad that they love each other?
I guess I can't say I'm surprised, after all the bible does say that slavery is fine and good as seen here:
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
And the bible also says to kill homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)"
Hell, the bible even says you should kill me!
"everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"
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Post by spartacus on Jan 13, 2008 13:39:46 GMT -5
I'm assuming your first sentence was in response to Owtopia, not me, as we seem to be in perfect agreement. Nice job doing your homework with all those quotes, Strashki. You should also check out Deutoronomy (sp?) 20 and 21, there are some real lovely messages in there too. Interesting that no such anti-gay remarks are attributed to Jesus, however. I wonder how he would feel about gay marriage, although it would still not be relevant when it came to the law.
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