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Post by deutschgarten on Aug 19, 2007 10:25:53 GMT -5
What do you think about universal Health care?
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Post by kaleckton on Aug 19, 2007 20:24:55 GMT -5
I think it depends on the country itself and its economy. Having a healthcare plan that is worldwide is only a good plan for the poor countries. I believe it would not help much in the richer countries.
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Aug 20, 2007 3:12:20 GMT -5
How would you define the "richer countries"?
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Post by TWWK on Aug 20, 2007 8:10:16 GMT -5
I would love for the U.S. to have universal healthcare. I would pay more in taxes, but receive it back when my company (hopefully) increases pay, since they don't have to pay for healthcare costs anymore.
Plus, I think its a horrible thing that even in the U.S., the richest country in the world, there are a ton of people who cannot afford simple doctor's visits.
But, I really don't know the specifics of how this would work and even if it would work in the U.S.
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Post by kaleckton on Aug 20, 2007 11:31:52 GMT -5
I owe over 11 thousands dollars to my hospital back in colorado for an emergency visit that they were unable to figure out what was wrong with me. I think its messed up.
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Post by deutschgarten on Aug 20, 2007 11:54:11 GMT -5
Indeed. Even in one of the richest countries in the world, USA; "the American health-care system is breaking up, no matter how much its backers cheer. For starters, there's the 46 million uninsured (projected to rise to 56 million in five years). There's the shock of the underinsured when they learn that their policies exclude a costly procedure they need—forcing them to run up an unpayable bill, beg for charity care or go without." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19886686/site/newsweek/page/0/ |
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Post by Archaix on Aug 20, 2007 12:15:42 GMT -5
I think it depends on the country itself and its economy. Having a healthcare plan that is worldwide is only a good plan for the poor countries. I believe it would not help much in the richer countries. And the poor countries would pay for it how exactly...? |
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Post by TWWK on Aug 20, 2007 12:20:55 GMT -5
I owe over 11 thousands dollars to my hospital back in colorado for an emergency visit that they were unable to figure out what was wrong with me. I think its messed up. I feel for you - the cost of healthcare is ridiculous. A typical visit for a cold could cost $1000 or more for the uninsured; a trip to the hospital via ambulance thousands more; an emergency helicopter trip to save your life would cost well over $10000 (as a close friend of mine found out), even WITH some insurance - That's a high amount of cost for something that I think most people would agree should be available to anybody regardless of their financial status. |
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Aug 21, 2007 8:20:36 GMT -5
Pleased to hear the consensus with the NCA   Hungary: $1 for a simple visit to the doctor, $3/day in a hospital. Well, and 15% insurance from your wage. |
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Post by Archaix on Aug 21, 2007 11:03:11 GMT -5
I pay nothing -which is just as well because I've been in hospital more times than most people I know.
The NHS doesn't exactly work well, or efficiently, or without sometimes giving you a superbug, but that's probably down to the cutbacks Thatcher initiated in the 80's, and which Tony Blair failed to reverse in his term.
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Post by -Led Zeppelin- on Aug 21, 2007 11:55:00 GMT -5
It should cost not 1 penny to live.
If governments learned anything from the Enlightenment, that governments are responsible for the welfare of their people, they will not rob them of their welfare.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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Post by kaleckton on Aug 21, 2007 13:37:14 GMT -5
I owe over 11 thousands dollars to my hospital back in colorado for an emergency visit that they were unable to figure out what was wrong with me. I think its messed up. I feel for you - the cost of healthcare is ridiculous. A typical visit for a cold could cost $1000 or more for the uninsured; a trip to the hospital via ambulance thousands more; an emergency helicopter trip to save your life would cost well over $10000 (as a close friend of mine found out), even WITH some insurance - That's a high amount of cost for something that I think most people would agree should be available to anybody regardless of their financial status. Well they claimed that they felt bad that they couldn't find anything so they waived the ambulance and emergency costs. They actually waved bout 10 k. They just charged me and my financial counselor apparently charged me another 500 bucks. |
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Post by deutschgarten on Aug 21, 2007 14:32:48 GMT -5
It should cost not 1 penny to live. If governments learned anything from the Enlightenment, that governments are responsible for the welfare of their people, they will not rob them of their welfare. It doesn't get any simpler than that. ... I think i love you... |
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Post by Archaix on Aug 21, 2007 14:41:27 GMT -5
 The Drama Llama sure has got to work on this place.
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Post by Kardas on Aug 21, 2007 19:18:06 GMT -5
that would really help the developing countries, and the poor in the developed ones. It should cost not 1 penny to live. If governments learned anything from the Enlightenment, that governments are responsible for the welfare of their people, they will not rob them of their welfare. It doesn't get any simpler than that. ... I think i love you... Deutsch has gone  But I have to agree with Led Zeppelin |
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Post by Archaix on Aug 22, 2007 5:55:10 GMT -5
It's not a question of whether it helps them or not; poor countries would not be able to afford it. It would mean a drastic increase in taxes to pay for it, as well as the purchase (or building) of many hospitals, and in LEDCs there are usually more health problems anyway, and higher infant mortality.
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Post by Robespierre - P.R. of Debro on Aug 22, 2007 6:45:45 GMT -5
True. Healthcare is a "benefit"....i mean, most african nations doesn't have proper roads, elementary resources, like water(or if they have, they cannot distribute it, because the lack of the infrastructure)....so probably a stable economy first, universal healthcare afterwards...But that's a trap...poor countries are exploited by large corporations, and often have internal tensions.
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Post by Archaix on Aug 22, 2007 9:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but the EU helps some out, doesn't it? That should help because it isn't affected by independent gain and so on. Plus I think most countries are starting to come round to the idea that throwing money at poor, corrupt countries doesn't do anything.
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Post by Republicas Gloria on Aug 23, 2007 14:36:37 GMT -5
Healthcare for everyone! This is how we can do it without making the middle class suffer. You see all those super rich people in the US? Shoot their taxes so high they after 10 years they are middle class. No more 50 mansions for you Mr.Trump!
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Post by deutschgarten on Aug 23, 2007 16:06:16 GMT -5
Isn't that a little unfair? Anyway they way things are it'd be cheaper if the government provided me with healthcare through taxes than having to pay for private health insurance. It's ridiculous, with private helath insurance I still have to co-pay on simple things like doctor visits!
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